Modeling a Submission to Authority

Modeling a Submission to Authority


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Join Charlie and Kristina Matz as they navigate the journey of Biblical parenting. Go behind-the-scenes as they share Biblical insights from the front lines of parenting their five children. 

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The tone of today's culture does not resonate with the idea of submitting to authority. So what does it look like for us, as the adults and parents, to model an ongoing attitude of submission to authority so that we can set a Biblical tone in our home? We are going to look at this from an everyday, practical stance paired together with an overall view of what the Bible has to say. 


  • Our marriage is the perfect opportunity to highlight Biblical submission
  • The reality of submitting to governmental authorities
  • If we neglect our first priorities we wrongly train our onlooking children
  • The importance of submitting to church leadership
  • We must avoid "grumbling and disputing"
  • Check out The Briefing and Focal Point


Charlie (00:02):
What does the Bible say about parenting? What wisdom can we gain from those who've gone before us? How can we aim to raise children into adults who repent and follow Christ and honestly, what do we practically do when we wake up tomorrow? We're Charlie and Kristina Matz. We're on a journey to seek answers to those questions and much more.

Kristina (00:20):
We have four kids and one on the way, so we're always praying and learning and growing and what God in the Bible have to say about raising these wonderful children. This is the behind the scenes of our life with children seeking to raise them in biblical wisdom. Join us and together let's work to confidently navigate the journey and Christian parenting.

Charlie (00:41):
Today we are talking about what it looks like for us as the adults to model an ongoing attitude of submission to authority. We're going to look at this from an everyday practical stance paired with an overall view of what the Bible has to say, but first one curious thing. Now this is a new segment that we're doing so that you can get to know us a little bit better by hearing one curious thing about our lives.

Kristina (01:05):
So today we wanted to share with you guys the little brief story of how we met and how long we dated before we got engaged and then married. So Charlie and I actually met online, um, many years ago. He harmony was a Christian resource online dating website for couples. And so we met there just within days of paying our subscription. I always tell Charlie that I got a way better deal because I only signed up for one month, but he signed it for three. So I only paid 49 95 for my husband. And um, we dated for less than four months before we were married.

Charlie (01:46):
Well, yeah, we, we met and got married in four months, basically in less than four months. But we don't recommend it for everyone.

Kristina (01:55):
No, not at all. I think that's totally case by case. And we used to serve and work with college students, so we always made that very clear to them. Uh, you can't just go out and find someone and date them for four months, but just because it's only four months doesn't mean that you're not ready to get married.

Charlie (02:14):
We were madly in love and it was the best thing that ever happened. And it was so amazing. It, it, it was, it was too short. I mean, it was, uh, not short enough. I wish I could've gotten married to you a week after I met.

Kristina (02:27):
Thank you. And, but I did say I love you first. You were being far more patient than I was. I think after like three days, I just couldn't contain it anymore.

Charlie (02:37):
Well, I just wanted to make sure, you know, things are moving kind of fast there. So, you know, they do have like 28 levels of compatibility on eHarmony, but, uh, three days was fast, you know, four months is fast, but Hey, there you go. That's one curious thing about us and about our lives and, you know, before we get into this little life update, we've been up in Idaho for almost a year. For some of you that know us, we've been in California, uh, for many, many years before that moved up to Idaho to plant a church. So it's been a year. That's crazy. And it's also one of the reasons we've had a hard time, you know, doing this podcast regularly. Christina is pregnant with our fifth and uh, you know what that's like for many of you, if you're listening to this, most likely, you know what that's like and it's just hard to, you know, get this podcast on. We have to do it when the kids are asleep.

Kristina (03:30):
Yes. And I went through my first Idaho winter, which is really my first real winter. And Charlie comes from Michigan. I know it's still not as hard of a winter as a person could experience. Maybe you experience if you're living somewhere else. But this was the first time that winter was actually winter for me. Um, and it was pretty cold. I gotta admit. Thank you. Thank you. And you, you told me that I just need the right clothing to keep my head and my feet warm. Yeah,

Charlie (04:00):
all about the feet.

Kristina (04:01):
But I'm excited and I had my first real spring, we saw lots of color come out of the ground and now we're heading into summer, which I got to say is still like one of my favorites.

Charlie (04:10):
Yeah. And it's getting warmer out. So for us that means especially cause we're part of this new church church plant, we're going to get out, we're going to meet our neighbors, we're going to be actively involved. Another way to just model something very positive to our kids. If we need to get into the lives of our neighbors, we need to understand who they are. We need to serve and love them and invite them to church. But even more so, share with them the good news of Jesus Christ to share with them the gospel. See some of our neighbors get saved and a repin follow him. So our kids will see that. Now let's get onto modeling a submission to authority.

Kristina (04:45):
All right, so for me as a wife, the easiest way for me to model submission to my children is by actively submitting to Charlie their father. You know, as a woman, I'm clearly called to submission in my marriage and it's important for me to first understand what biblical submission is and is not. So submission does not mean that I shouldn't have an opinion or I can't have an opinion or that my opinion should not be shared. Submission does mean that I willingly place myself under the authority of my husband and I will ultimately set aside my own desires to follow after his lead. Now I'm called to be his helper and as such, my opinion is something that Charlie often desires and even seeks out, you know, but as is true in every relationship, every wise individual understands the not every opinion should be shared.

Kristina (05:38):
That's a hard one I think for us as women. But one way for us, I want to speak to my own heart then there one way for us to be an example of submission in our home is to not ever disagree with our husbands choices in front of our children. We need to make sure we're always representing a team before our children cause they will actively seek to manipulate one of us against the other. And this is not just if you have like bad kids. I mean this is human nature. This is what they'll do. And so I need to make sure that we are United by if I do have a disagreement waiting until the kids are asleep or it's early in the morning and it's just him and I and I can talk to him about that leader. Now this is easy sometimes and is downright painful at other times, but it is always right to do.

Kristina (06:28):
Now as a side. Now if you're a woman listening to this and you find yourself in a marriage where you feel like submitting to your husband is putting you in a position where you have to sin, you have to seek out pastoral counsel for that. So I want to make sure that we understand our first submission is to the Lord and his commandments. So we need to never use that as an excuse to defy our husband's authority. But if you are in one of those situations, then please seek out pastoral counsel to get clear direction.

Charlie (06:57):
Yeah. And this is a subject where it's sometimes cringe-worthy in the sense that, you know, it's one of those things that obviously the world in our culture is going to completely fight against. And, uh, our own hearts are gonna fight against it as well, both men and women. But I think that to the point of modeling it for our children, submitting to God's authority, it's not, you know, you're not talking about submitting to my authority. Ultimately you're talking about submitting to God's authority, to biblical authority. And it's really important not to bend those things where we want to, to feel more comfortable because our children will pick up on that. Ultimately, they'll start to see little dents and chinks in our armor when it comes to our strength in following the Lord and his scripture. And I think for me, um, you know, as the head of the household, one of the roles that, uh, God has given me, well, ultimately the ultimate role God has given me as a husband and a father is to completely submit to the authority of, of, of the Lord.

Charlie (07:54):
But there's also some scriptures that are very pertinent to today's world. Um, specifically, you know, this idea of in Romans 13, one through seven, um, Paul commanding the Roman Christians to submit to Nero. Now we look at that story sometimes and we go, yeah, that's a, you know, that's then this is now that was different. I'm sure it was, you know, we, we kind of painted in a certain way. It was much more difficult than it is now. And, and many of us have a hard time politically submitting to authority, no matter whether you like the current president of the past president, whoever it might be, uh, you know, your, your local government. Uh, we have to not just summit, but do it with an attitude of, um, trust in the Lord and ultimately have faith that God is really ultimately in control. That he is sovereignly placed those people there and we are to respect them in their position, authority of authority. Our children are watching that and if we're to do all things grumbling or disputing, including following through with Romans 13 one through seven, then we really got to check ourselves a us man, especially we're going to set the tone in our home when it comes to where we pick and choose to all ultimately submit to the authorities in our life.

Kristina (09:12):
Right? Absolutely. Um, I know that a temptation for a lot of moms, I mean myself included, can come just in the form of trying to resist submission to the specific priorities that God has called us to. Titus two is a great place to look for instruction as a wife and a mom and we're instructed there to first be lovers of our husband and our children. So that calls us to prioritize those relationships, but to also that we need to be working at home. Now, of course, this doesn't mean that women shouldn't ever work outside of the home. I mean, Proverbs 31 gives us an excellent picture of this woman who did work with her hands and she sold her goods to help provide for her household. But it does mean that we cannot forsake the work of our home for something outside of our home.

Kristina (10:01):
Our husbands, our children, and our home need to be the priorities and our children need to see us prioritizing their father, prioritizing their training and instruction and prioritizing the order of our home. If we neglect these primary areas of stewardship that God has called us to simply to pursue our own pleasures and desires, and this can even be things that are good and that we can justify because they're godly, right? We want to have this extra place of service in the church or we think we should have more fellowship with elder godly moms. And so we justify forsaking the priorities God has clearly called us to. Then what we're doing is we're teaching our children that it's okay to rebel against God's clear design whenever it doesn't line up with what we prefer. And sometimes it's hard to see if we're doing this or not. So just some practical symptoms to look out for is, are we neglecting consistent correction with our children for some reason? Do we notice our kids acting up and being more disobedient than normal because of that neglect is part of the housework piling app are the things our husband is asking us to do on a regular basis, not being kept up with.

Charlie (11:14):
That's a really insightful, I think for me, another one that stands out is this idea that, you know, I have authorities in my life within the church. You know, I have a pastor, I might be in a life group underneath somebody, a small group. I might be serving in a ministry where there's a director or a leader. I have to submit to that authority with a joyful attitude. Um, that's a really dangerous place because I think as men, as we maybe learn more about the Bible or we have, you know, opinions about things that maybe even differ with certain leadership, we want to express those things and buck against that kind of forgetting that God has sovereignly placed us under that pastor, that director. And also forgetting that. Um, ultimately we, we are being watched by our children in how high of a view of God we have.

Charlie (12:06):
Um, it's really a small view of God that guides us to a high view of ourselves and what we think and what our opinion is about, um, about the church, the Bible and everything else. And so, um, I would imagine that God typically puts almost every man in that position at some point because there's a humbling that needs to be done. There's a reason that we need to submit to authority in a specific kind of way that grates against a specific thing in us. It's almost like a designer program to humble us and to also model to these young little hearts that it is not about us. And it's ultimately about having a high view of God and doing what God says really. That's it. Being obedient to God and his word. So, you know, in closing, we want to talk about a resource that actually is very helpful to understand the world around us.

Kristina (13:01):
Absolutely. It is a podcast called the briefing and this is led by Albert Muller. He is an amazing preacher and he is the president of, I always say it wrong, what is it?

Charlie (13:16):

Kristina (13:16):
Southern Baptist theological seminary. Um, but he is a great, great knowledgeable man. God has given him great insight into scripture and he on the briefing every day, it's about 2025 minutes and he just breaks down really important things going on in the world around us and teaches us as adults how to make sure we're looking at those things from a biblical worldview and this has been the guiding force of a lot of conversations we have in our home because then we make sure our kids, as they hear about things from friends or on the news or whatever, that they know how to biblically walk through those things that are going on in culture.

Charlie (13:57):
Feel free to listen to it with your kids, with it out loud as your kids are listening to it and there's content in there that's going to drive conversation and create a lot of questions, some awesome answers. You can give them straight from the word of God. Now, if you're new to this podcast, be sure to subscribe and, and, um, you know, anywhere that you can get podcasts. I think we're on almost every platform now so you can subscribe. These will come right to you, kind of, you know, you get a notification on your phone. That's the best way to do this. Now, if you're on Apple podcasts, we just would ask you if you like this, please give us a review. Give us a rating because that's how other Christian parents are going to find this. And we really want to equip Christian parents to confidently navigate the journey of Christian parenting.

Kristina (14:41):
Thank you for joining us on this week's episode of bare essentials. We recorded this episode in our sweet little home studio in Meridian, Idaho. Come back next week to hear more about our very real life on this incredible journey of biblical parenting.

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